"The Georgia Ruse" Orchestrated by Bush Co. ?

Russian Prime Minister Putin blasted Bush and his band of criminals in a press release moments ago accusing him of a "Wag the Dog" scheme in order to distract the laughable American MSM from reporting further on the decay of the American economy,
record foreclosures, unemployment,the banking calamity, the failed Bush foreign policy in Iraq, the forgotten Afghanistan War, Corruption hearings indicting even more corrupt republicans,etc, etc, etc... according to Russian intelligence reports.

Bush's spokesperson, Miss Perino, immediately denied the allegations in a news conference.  

Conspiracy? Maybe not.
An American passport belonging to a Texas resident was found in a war torn region where some of the heaviest casualties occured.
Putin went on to say that American advisors so to speak were
in the area participating in actual combat. He went on to say the obvious; If they were there in the region participating in a combat role that they received their marching orders from the top. Only Bush could have authorized such actions. If he did,
he has not only violated International but American law. Anyone familiar with the term black-ops???

Why would Bush Co. orchestrate such a ruse in Georgia?
Headlines? Talking points for  foreign policy expert McCain?

And then Condi come lately comically comes to the so called rescue, uh, er... photo-op, of course after the "Francais" negotiate a peace settlement, and says look at me! I'm relevant!
I matter and I'm not the worst Secretary of State in the history of the U.S.
Or maybe the military complex said, "Hey, we don't have the Ruskies and communism anymore to scare the living f--k out the American public" to support military funding so that they can continue  building unecessary weapons that
will become obsolete like many others in the meantime generating
record profits for the republican donating war profiteers?

I think history in general may validate Putin's accusation.

These are dangerous times we are living in.

Could a similar military complex as illustrated in Oilver Stone's conspiracy thiller "JFK" be at work?

The Neo-Con chickenhawks have been busy little bees late in to the night with their propaganda machine at work planting dis-information in an attempt to sway public opinion keeping the ignorant masses ignorant to the liking of the disgusting-coward and reprehensible Leo Strauss, Godfather to the Neo-con cowards.
Change the subject, change the headlines and  re-elect Bush-lite John McCain is the gameplan.

The American public needs to know the truth behind this story and warrants a Congressional investgation into Putin's
charges.  Do not allow the piss-poor MSM to drown out this story.
I hope to see more blogs surrounding these very serious allegations.  It's up to us bloggers on the internet to get this story out because CNN & Fox News and the pathetic Big 3 tabloid-obsessed networks will surely try to kill this story!

Speak up America! It's morning time.


Poll
Do you believe the Bush administration orchestrated or assisted in orchestrating this action?
Yes, 100%
More than 50% Participation
Partly
Minimal at best
No, not at all


Votes: 6
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


Seems unlikely in all but the most minor way (none / 0)

They certainly could have set up a situation where circumstances allowed for something bad to happen, but I doubt it was some Machivellian plan.  They didn't know that Putin was going to drop on Georgia like a bag of hammers.  It was more that people like Condi and McCain promised the Georgian leaders that the USA was behind them 100%, and he did something dumb with unforseeable consequences.

A similar thing happened with the first Gulf War.  Bush the Greater had diplomatic people tell Saddam Hussein that we were done getting involved in their Middle Eastern politics or armed conflicts, and Hussein translated that to mean that we wouldn't mind if he knocked over a few countries for their oil and ports.  He was pretty surprised when he invaded Kuwait only to find the US (who basically put him in power in the first place to counteract Iran) leading an international coalition against him.

The Bush Doctrine, as far as I can tell, isn't so much about manipulating foreign events to start wars as being as bellicose and arrogant as possible in hopes that bad people will start some shit.  The new Iraq War, of course, is the exception; McCain, Bush the Lesser, and Cheney had decided we had to attack Hussein the minute they won the 2000 election.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:03:14 PM EST

Re: Seems unlikely in all but the most minor way (none / 0)

In your final paragraph you clearly mention the exception of the Iraq war as an example. This gives some validation to these types of actions.  If Bush & Cheney orchestrated a war based on lies and manipulated intelligence to win over public support; You can't put this past at all.


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:17:45 PM EST
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There's a clear difference (none / 0)

The reason I mentioned it as a counter-example was that they ran out of ways to coax Hussein into "starting it."  They gave Hussein every opportunity to shoot at them and provoke a war (remember how the Panama "police action" started?), but Hussein wouldn't bite.  They got desperate and cooked something up.

The difference is that it was a personal thing for Bush to do, taking down Hussein; as far as I know, he doesn't have any personal motive in Georgia.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:23:27 PM EST
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Re: There's a clear difference (none / 0)

But Russia does, and this is exactly what Russia did.  They got Georgia to "start it" and were quick to swoop in once they had an excuse.  They were just much better at it than us.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:38:31 PM EST
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Exactly what I'm trying to say (none / 0)

It's Putin that basically instigated it, and now he's trying to make us think that our incompetant incumbant nitwit that really started it.

The only match that we have for Putin in the game of instigating conflicts via psych war on an international scale is probably George Herbert Walker Bush, and he's retired.  


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:42:39 PM EST
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The Economy can not be the Focus of debate (none / 0)

(McCain's weakness)during this election cycle if they expect to win. They need to change the debate to Foreign policy where they think McCain has the edge.


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:16:10 PM EST
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i dont trust Bush (none / 0)

But I would trust Putin even less.


by highgrade on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:08:34 PM EST

Still, these are serious allegations that can not (none / 0)

be ignored and should be investigated further.


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:10:35 PM EST
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less than 70 days to the election (none / 0)

we can't afford to be diverting our attention from the task at hand. there is no way that you're going to be able to prove that bush was behind this. the nature of these kinds of allegations is that if Dems are seen cosigning this kind of inquiry, the media will be asking "why are the Democrats taking the word of a KGB spy over the US government?"

the american people have said loud and clear that what they care about right now is the economy. we need to spend every day from now until election day hammering mccain for taking bush's "country club economics" playbook as his own.

ok, so there was an american passport. do you really believe that it's unusual that there would be US spies in the region? how are you going to prove that they were actually taking part in the hostilities?


by highgrade on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:34:13 PM EST

You're right. Those wacky American Spies are (none / 0)

there on vacation. The Baltic Sea, afterall, is the Georgian Riviera.


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:10:26 PM EST
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Re: You're right. (none / 0)

Do you honestly believe that the US is crazy enough to risk a shooting war with the Russians over Georgia???

There are US spies in every corner of the world - I don't think their presence alone means that they were actively engaging in the fight.  


by highgrade on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:16:58 PM EST
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Putin is as much a tin-pot dictator as Bush (none / 0)

Believe neither of them.  Russia orchestrated the Georgia "ruse," not the U.S.  It certainly benefits us none at all, and the average-joe doesn't give a shit about what happens in some country on the other side of the world that doesn't involve Americans.  If it was a wag-the-dog scenario, it was done piss-poorly.  Even more piss-poorly than we've come to expect from Bush.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:35:58 PM EST

Re: Putin is a much worse tin-pot dictator as Bush (none / 0)

Putin is a much worse dictator than Bush.

For starters, in Russia you wouldn't be able to call Putin "tin-pot dictator".

Bush hasn't killed several dozen reporters.

Bush hasn't executed or imprisoned every significant member of the opposition.

If they lived in Russia and opposing Putin, Obama, both Clintons, Edwards, Biden, Clarke would all be dead by now.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:08:04 PM EST
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Re: Putin is a much worse tin-pot dictator as Bush (none / 0)

Jesus Christ, you sound like a Bush Apologist!
Don't forget Bush's war based on lies, his fabricated Ira-Al-Qaeda letter, his attempts to destroy Valarie Plame etc.... Basis for impeachment. If we had a speaker with real leadership qualities, unlike piss-poor-impeachment is of the table-Pelosi. Bush and Cheney may have well been impeached even if only in the Congress.
by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:53:06 PM EST
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Re: Putin is a much worse tin-pot dictator as Bush (none / 0)

The difference is that Valerie Plame is still alive.
In contrast, Putin actually murdered Litvinenko using radioactive Polonium, one of the most cruel and painful ways imaginable.

Are you a self-parody or something? You use "attempts to destroy" in order to compare Putin with Bush, when Putin doesn't "attempt to destroy" his political opponents, he actually succeeds in murdering them by the dozens?


by Aris Katsaris2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:52:06 AM EST
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And continue to be blind and ignorant to world (none / 0)

affairs as Bush has been further eroding our foreign policy credibility. Sounds like Rovian talking points.


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:06:18 PM EST
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WHAT A PAROCHIAL IDIOT APOLOGIST. (none / 0)

Russia orchestrated the action. Full-stop. Period. It wasn't Georgia, which was the victim. And it certainly wasn't the USA -- the USA wasn't even involved at all.

The assholes that keep trying to present this as a Russia-vs-USA conflict are basically disregarding as trivial the whole existence of Georgia as a nation with its own rights. That's the way PUTIN wants you to look at the situation -- because once the situation is seen as Russia-vs-USA (instead of the proper Russia-vs-Georgia) then no harm no foul: they didn't invade USA. They invaded instead some territory that's much closer to Moscow than it's to Washington. Other nations don't matter one bit.

Other nations, other people, besides Russians and Americans aren't real, according to PUTIN's imperialism apologists.

So fuck this. If you're so desperate to to attack Bush that you end up justifying Putin one bit, then you've lost EVERYTHING. You've lost your integrity, you've lost your judgement, you've lost your soul.

This isn't about American elections, you parochial idiot that fails to understand that your American asses aren't always in the center of the universe.

The war between Russia and Georgia is about RUSSIA AND GEORGIA.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:05:14 PM EST

Re: WHAT A PAROCHIAL IDIOT APOLOGIST. (none / 0)

You need to remember recent history in the former Yugoslav republic. Why shouldn't Ossetia be a free state with sovereignty? We now recognize Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia & Slovenia.
And as far as Bush goes, he is the worst criminal of all, He invaded a sovereign country that never attacked us and continues to occupy that country. Ever hear of Iraq?? So don't put it past this dirty corrupt Bush Admin to have been complicit in this Georgian-Ossetian conflict at least in part. It benefits the McCain and the Republican party. Remember Karl Rove met with the Georgian President back in July. Check your facts dummy.
by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:00:55 PM EST
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Re: WHAT A PAROCHIAL IDIOT APOLOGIST. (none / 0)

"Why shouldn't Ossetia be a free state with sovereignty?"

Because Southern Ossetian independence is nothing more than a pretense for Russian imperialism, same as Sudetenland in the 1930s was a mere pretense for German imperialism. And it will never be a "free state" with Russian troops occupying it and determining its leaders.

If it was an actual desire for independence, like Quebec's, or Scotland's, or Basque Country's, or Kurdistan's, I'd support it.

But it's not an actual desire for independence, it's merely Russian imperialism.

"We now recognize Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia & Slovenia."

And also Montenegro and Macedonia: All of those had an inalienable right by Yugoslavia's constitution to secede. Those were actual desires for independence, they weren't expressions of nearby imperialisms.

"And as far as Bush goes, he is the worst criminal of all, He invaded a sovereign country that never attacked us and continues to occupy that country"

Yes, that's how parochial and uninformed you are, you talk as if alone suffices to make Bush "the worst criminal of all". Grab a book sometime. Watch the news sometimes.

American imperialism right now is like the British Empire's imperialism was in the 1930s. You supposedly invade the Third World to supposedly benefit the savages. This imperialism collapses when the pretense can no longer be sustained in your own population's perspective. The occupation inevitably fails when it can no longer be justified, same as the British occupation in India. There's little-to-no ethnic cleansing, because there's no intent to annex the territory by itself, only to control its governance.

Russian imperialism on the other hand is like the Nazi Germany's imperialism in the 1930s. They supposedly invade neighbouring countries to supposedly protect the minorities there or their "vital interests". Difference is their imperialism never collapses by itself, because they've taken care to murder all their own journalists first, they've taken care to make all their own elections void and meaningless.

There's ethnic cleansing or even genocide because the desire is to annex the territory completely and absolutely, not merely to control its governors.

And that, in brief, is the difference between imperialism as conducted by a democracy (like USA or Britain), and the imperialism as conducted by a fascism (like Nazi Germany's or Russia's).

And the latter is a hundred times worse.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:32 AM EST
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Putin is just... (none / 0)

...trying to hide the fact he is about to assimilate those regions into Russia, either outright, or defacto.  If we start buying into What Puting is saying, without some really hard evidence, we run the risk of getting off message.  Supporting the word of a Neo-Stalinist is counterproductive at this point, and would play into GOP hands


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:42:04 PM EST

Keep up the Propaganda, it's not working. (none / 0)


by Polisci 000 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:02:12 PM EST
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reality check (none / 0)

We have enough verified greviences without taking the word of a despot who was hand picked by the Russian Intelligence services.  The main thing that gives lie to his claim is the fact that Putin is still occupying parts of Georgia past the demarcation line of the cease fire.  If this was a Bush conspiracy Putin seems to be the one who benefited.

Aligning ourselves with an despot would benefit only McCain


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:49:25 PM EST
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